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I'm gonna let this all ~simmer~ but my gut says to vote mycelia here. be back later
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yuming posted:Zoya Good catch, I'd forgotten how the Maer day shook out. Okay, you two are town, which means scum is...Pmuzz and Cube. Wahey. ... It's late and I'm struggling to figure out how to convince you not to kill me, since I'm pretty sure it's game over for town if you do that, so I will also let my thoughts simmer.
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May 4, 2024 23:49
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I will read those posts later once I have more time. Escaped a room, learned that Mahjong is just a rummy variant, and watched [sport team rooted for] get destroyed by [opposing team]. I am assuming there isn't a fourth vig out there available still?
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May 5, 2024 00:58
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CubicalSucrose posted:I will read those posts later once I have more time. i will have a vig tomorrow so, we could technically drag this out by no-exe
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May 5, 2024 01:00
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I think that would be risky.
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May 5, 2024 02:02
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I want to hear Cube and PMuzz’s claims. And mycelia which character are you?
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May 5, 2024 02:06
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yuming posted:I want to hear Cube and PMuzz’s claims. I think I already claimed this but I'm too lazy to go find it. D1 I watched Zoya (I meant to track her but I forgot which was which) D2 I docced Josef D3 I crammed WIS D4 I crammed WIS
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May 5, 2024 02:58
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yuming posted:I want to hear Cube and PMuzz’s claims. N0 Picked doc N1 Cram WIS N2 Cram WIS, gain a Watch N3 Self-doc N4 Watch Zoya.
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May 5, 2024 06:44
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CubicalSucrose posted:I will read those posts later once I have more time. Actually it's maybe more likely that rummy is a Mahjong variant? I'm going to check this now. "Games scholar David Parlett has written that the Western card games Conquian and Rummy share a common origin with Mahjong.[22] All these games involve players drawing and discarding tiles or cards to make melds. Khanhoo is an early example of such a game. The most likely ancestor to Mahjong was pènghú which was played with 120 or 150 cards.[21] During the late 19th century, pènghú was used interchangeably with máquè in both card and tile form." Well, huh.
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May 5, 2024 06:47
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Okay here's the case on PHuzz. 1) Pretty big pooper, the yet-to-be-fully-understood mech that scumMaer was overly interested in. 2) This post from the now-dead Hal. Hal Incandenza posted:I definitely lean towards spork, but I have also have scumpings from Pmuzz. I think there is no question scum were on the illu vote (in addition to a 3rd party) so I probably want to vote from that group My sense is that if Hal were alive today, they'd be pushing PHuzz pretty hard. Oh what a coincidence, looks like Hal isn't around today. 3) A big reason Spork got elim'd yesterday was the PHuzz vs. Spork Moe results squabble. (*gasp* is that word allowed in this game???). Spork flipped town and was (probably?) not lying about their results. So then...why didn't PHuzz get a Moe? I got Moe'd twice now which is both super lovely but also kinda funny. PhantomMuzzles posted:I think I already claimed this but I'm too lazy to go find it. This set of actions is wild. You would need to have... 5 WIS / 1 VIT / 3 CHA to start? N0 picked Watch. D1 picked +CHA D2 picked +CHA, get a doc. N2 doc JS. Why? Didn't Zoya say they already had that covered? In response to JS posting: JosefStalinator posted:Since I'll probably die tonight, Zoya's suspect list was Hal, Pmuzz, Maer. I don't think she was bussing so feeling good about her Zoya posted: Zoya posted:no you won't Specifically around the "die tonight" part. That's a really clear doc softclaim. Or maybe a bg softclaim I guess. OR (big brain scumZoya play). Since Zoya and PHuzz aren't masons, Zoya wouldn't have known PHuzz was planning on doccing JS, they would've had to expect a separate source of protection. Given that, it would be silly for PHuzz to double-down on prot for JS. Either Zoya has it covered (with their own prot, or just being scum and knowing they won't kill JS), or Zoya is bluffing (but a very plausible bluff since literally everyone in the game can be a doc) and scum are in WIFOM territory. Hell, didn't even need to be a prot, could've just been a JS Watch. That's a lot of words to say N2 Doc was a waste. N3 whatever. N4 though, why cram again heading into mis-elim-or-lose? Is there really something at...WIS 9/10 that's worth getting over (basically anything else) on the night before we can lose the game? The WIS 10 common actions don't seem worth that investment. Sleep time now though.
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May 5, 2024 07:06
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2 scum / 3 town i'm incredibly willing to ##vote no exe, narrow down our options, and turn this into 2 scum / 2 town (+ vig)
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May 5, 2024 07:37
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yuming posted:I want to hear Cube and PMuzz’s claims. Anghel Higure, the chuuni bleeding-heart dove. He is actually my favourite 
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May 5, 2024 10:12
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CubicalSucrose posted:Okay here's the case on PHuzz. Hmmmm some of these points are uncharacteristically nonsensical from Cube. Of course I'm pooping on people. I joined this game because they said we can poop on each other. ##poop on Cube It would be a dumb move for ScumMe to kill the person most vocally sussing me, and makes much more sense for someone to do that to "frame" me, which I was waiting to see who would. I didn't get Moe messages because I haven't done night actions. How have you missed this point; that was the entire reason I thought Spork was scum yesterday. I assumed that Zoya was either Town and bluffing about protecting js, or scum deterring docs. Otherwise idk why someone outs that they have a doc ability and also who they're planning to target. I almost docced Iggy instead and I wish I had. But js had just completely outed Maer and was obvs my strongest townread and I would have been more upset if he'd died and I didn't stop it I crammed two days in a row because I had no other actions anyway. And you have no idea what my personal unlockable abilities are so it's weird for you to question my choices. It feels like you're trying to bait me to figure out what abilities I unlocked. And again, going back to a previous point about why I've suspected Cube: none of this case against me has anything about vibe/tone or my general demeanor. So it doesn't feel like it's coming from someone who's had his finger on the pulse of the thread trying to sus out scum. It feels like a mechanical case by scum who are trying to build the most fact-based case they can against a Town player. And having two points in there that involve the NK selection (Hal obviously, but also showing that if Cube was scum, he wouldn't have killed js N2) show where his focus has been.
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May 5, 2024 12:04
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mycelia posted:Anghel Higure, the chuuni bleeding-heart dove. He is actually my favourite  No exe turns this into a game of who gets to the thread first which I don’t think is worth the risk of what happens at night. Or if scum jugg kill Zoya we just lose outright.
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May 5, 2024 13:01
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yuming posted:Ahahaha yess okay he’s hilarious. Him and Okosan are the best Yeah, it feels really risky. Empower is an easy ability to get too, so it seems likely to me that one of them has it. Ugh, I wish I crammed last night. Or picked a better doc target. Either one. What're you making of Cube and Pmuzz right now? (Setting aside that you think I'm scum, for now). I keep flip-flopping which one I think is the better vote.
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May 5, 2024 13:45
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I feel like I kind of glossed over Cube because I was focused on you and Pmuzz so I’m going to read him again in a bit. I woke up wanting to vote Pmuzz though 
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May 5, 2024 13:53
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PhantomMuzzles posted:I'm not gonna vote a newbie D1. Am curious to see who they poop on though CubicalSucrose posted:##vote Mycelia Maerlyn posted:Ditto. I don't know how new Tsietisin is but there's usually a grace period. I read this as a scum interaction between Maer and Pmuzz with Cube as an easy D1 target.
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May 5, 2024 15:27
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So Maer did poop on Cube early D1 and then call him out for posting votefinder:Maerlyn posted:This one? It's the first time I've seen Cube post VF: CubicalSucrose posted:Deadline in 48.5 hours, set alarms appropriately. Maer was responding to Keats saying that Cube had made a scum post and pointing out the VF post as what she thought was it. Maer seems like cautious a scum player content to sit in the background, so I stand by my original thought that this was her setting up to actually vote Cube if need be.
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May 5, 2024 15:36
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yuming posted:I read this as a scum interaction between Maer and Pmuzz I suppose it's healthy to stretch in the mornings
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May 5, 2024 15:43
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I just don’t see any big moments that Cube feels scummy to me. I have a couple of those strong moments for Pmuzz. The Illu vote, the push on spork. That’s where I got my strongest scum feeling. She’s also hanging back the most here, which is scummy. And you know what ##vote Pmuzz ! ! This is it.
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May 5, 2024 15:44
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Zoya posted:2 scum / 3 town If you're scum, doesn't this just mean scum would win? Also if you're town, what if you get NK'd?
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May 5, 2024 15:45
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I’ve got like 5 more minutes in the car here but then I’m out for a while. To me Pmuzz is the most actively scummy player: going aggressive at Illu and spork in wonky ways. I get my best reads off those more firey moments, so here we go. Let us all ascend as Puddi. We shall vanquish the scum in the name of Lord Puddi ! !
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May 5, 2024 15:47
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Zoya posted:i feel bad for scum this game, they're clearly very demoralized
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May 5, 2024 15:47
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Zoya posted:2 scum / 3 town Yeah the more I think about this the sillier an idea it is? What am I missing?
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May 5, 2024 15:54
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CubicalSucrose posted:Yeah the more I think about this the sillier an idea it is? What am I missing? Oh I think I get it? Hahahahaha, the world where Zoya is town and makes this claim/push is actually really funny and clever.
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May 5, 2024 16:03
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Compelling counter argument from Pmuzz
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May 5, 2024 16:43
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yuming posted:Compelling counter argument from Pmuzz I don't have a counter argument. I've played a bad, lazy game. But I'm Town and absolutely would not be playing the way I have if I was scum. I think Cube's case on me is higher effort than Yuming's, but Yuming seems to be coming from a way townier perspective. I think mycelia, both in the thread and in the masonry, has done a whole lot of performative hand-wringing. I think he's scum, but I'll feel bad saying that if he genuinely feels bad about his calls this game. But my gut says it's an act. I think Zoya is kinda acting like she has nothing to prove, which would be a good scum play here but feels towny to me. I'd vote mycelia or Cube right now
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May 5, 2024 17:20
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yuming posted:No exe turns this into a game of who gets to the thread first no? no exe turns this into a 2 v 2 stalemate. who gets to the thread first is largely irrelevant -- town should absolutely hold onto their vote until everyone has arrived and checked into the thread in fact, i genuinely think that it is almost always beneficial for town to delay MYLO into LYLO (the exceptions being weird specific game mechanics), because in either case, if you yeet wrong, you lose the game... but in the second case, you have less players around to be wrong about. right now, if you close your eyes and vote completely blindly, you're more likely to hit town than scum. but tomorrow... 50/50, baby! i think when the game gets down to the wire at this state, it's always in town's best interests to delay instead of risking shooting themselves in the foot scum, on the other hand, would very much prefer to get town to miselim, here
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May 5, 2024 17:24
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CubicalSucrose posted:Yeah the more I think about this the sillier an idea it is? What am I missing? i think it's a good call for town in this situation even without an upcoming vig in the mix. vig is just lagniappe, if i'm alive to use it
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May 5, 2024 17:26
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At 4 players would it require 2 or 3 to execute? Because if it's 3 that sounds like a bad plan
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May 5, 2024 17:33
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Actually either way it's a bad plan? If it's 2 votes to execute tomorrow, it'd be a race to the thread If it's 3 votes to execute, it would rely on a scum voting for another scum. They'd have no reason to, and would push a no exe. Sure, if Zoya survives she could supposedly have a vig. But she'd have to fire correctly or we'd lose anyway.
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May 5, 2024 17:40
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So basically Zoya would be confident enough in her reads to stake the game on her correctly vigging. But she's not confident enough in her reads to vote today?
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May 5, 2024 17:44
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2 v 2 for voting is a scum win. Even a vigkill is mod discretion I believe. This is why I don’t mod games, end game throws me off. I think one of the games I did mod ended up in some stupid repeated no ex and I didn’t know what to do. Voting no ex today takes us into what could already be a stalemate. We vote today ! !
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May 5, 2024 17:52
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Pmuzz is living in the thread at this moment and avoiding looking back too much: a scummy approach. I made an effort case yesterday too. Her responses today sound like she didn’t even really read that content. Zoya, let’s vote Pmuzz and the world shall be one of Puddi and joy For there is no tomorrow. None guaranteed, we must search for Puddi NOW or risk the lack of faith.
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May 5, 2024 18:01
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oh. wait. maths. this is lylo, not mylo, isnt it? unless i survived with the vig, which obviously isn't guaranteed ugh yes, it would be 3 to execute, and most/many mods would simply conclude the game unless there was something in the game preventing scum's "total control of the vote" like a vig. so the game would end if i died to a NK tonight and no one else is hiding a vig or some other kind of gamechanging power goddamnit
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May 5, 2024 18:11
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Zoya posted:no? no exe turns this into a 2 v 2 stalemate. who gets to the thread first is largely irrelevant -- town should absolutely hold onto their vote until everyone has arrived and checked into the thread This is the correct logic when it's 3 town 1 scum.
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May 5, 2024 18:33
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Is Yuming's post the best Myc case so far? I'll review and reread. Also considering how likely it was that Zoya was scum trying to pull a fast one and now backpedaling hard.
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PhantomMuzzles posted:I don't have a counter argument. I've played a bad, lazy game. But I'm Town and absolutely would not be playing the way I have if I was scum. you will regret your words and deeds,
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I don't know what the right move here is, so I'm going to write out my thought process in the hopes it helps me and/or someone else. -I know I am town. -I am 99% sure Yuming is town. -Yuming thinks Pmuzz is scum. -I am not sure who scum is in the remaining three players. -If I vote Pmuzz, and I'm wrong, scum hammers and I think that's game? So I am very hesitant to do that. -But the same is true of the other two... I assume the rest of you are feeling the same way as me ... Waiting for each other to make a move. Tense...
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