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JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

ousire posted:

The average imperial citizen has no idea that Chaos even exists.
IIRC, this is much less of the case now, after the fall of Cadia and the creation of the Great Rift, when the Empire has been shattered in two by a massive chaos incursion even your average hivedweller working off fifth-hand information is probably capable of finding out at least generalities about the Great Enemy.

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Tombot
Oct 21, 2008
Whenever that assasin unit speaks, I keep expecting them to say "Quad damage" or "Quake three arena". Could it be the same voice actor?

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

IMDB says that the Quake 3 Arena narrator was voiced by Christian Antkow, who was just someone working at id's sound department at the time, going by their other entries on there.

Meanwhile the Daemonhunters IMDB page lacks any info about who voices the Vindicare assassin. There are however some other character spoilers there so be careful if you want to check yourself.
And BTVA has nothing on the game at all.

Sooo... maybe? But I kinda doubt it.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


One reason the Imperium is really focused on limiting available information about Chaos is that Chaos rituals work. The dark gods love answering prayers, and the Imperium can be such a terrible place that there's plenty of people on any world who think they have nothing to lose.

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

Ice planet you may be looking for Valhalla. Known for being the home to the regiments that Caiphas Cain normally stuck to.

(basically they're space russians)

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

They are also very, very serious about making snowmen as I recall.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
And love drinking a tea that is best known as a very hard to acquire taste

Karazor
Jan 6, 2020

wiegieman posted:

One reason the Imperium is really focused on limiting available information about Chaos is that Chaos rituals work. The dark gods love answering prayers, and the Imperium can be such a terrible place that there's plenty of people on any world who think they have nothing to lose.

They usually find out that they do, in fact have plenty to lose. The Chaos gods are very happy to give you power, because that power is them, and by taking that power you become a little less yourself and a little bit more of the god. Khorne seems especially corrosive, Khorne worshipers nearly always wind up hollowed out shells of themselves, a skin sack through which the god of blood bellows and screams at the world.

ponzicar
Mar 17, 2008
I don't think anyone's really discussed it yet, but I am fond of the willpower mechanic that lets you buff most attacks and abilities. It provides a simple solution to those times when you'd have to spend an extra action point, or even wait an entire extra turn to finish off a unit that has just a sliver of hp left.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

wiegieman posted:

One reason the Imperium is really focused on limiting available information about Chaos is that Chaos rituals work. The dark gods love answering prayers, and the Imperium can be such a terrible place that there's plenty of people on any world who think they have nothing to lose.

Sometimes, it's just a wierd swinger group.

Sometimes, it's a slaneeshi pleasure cult and Chaos Answers.

But one of the Big E's big bad dad moments was not telling his Primarch children about Chaos. Which ruined all his plans when Magnus travelled through the warp to visit daddy and created a warp rift right into the heart of his Imperial Webway because he didn't know.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Veloxyll posted:

Sometimes, it's just a wierd swinger group.

Sometimes, it's a slaneeshi pleasure cult and Chaos Answers.

But one of the Big E's big bad dad moments was not telling his Primarch children about Chaos. Which ruined all his plans when Magnus travelled through the warp to visit daddy and created a warp rift right into the heart of his Imperial Webway because he didn't know.

Magnus knew that human sacrifice was bad, that sorcery was bad, that he wasn't supposed to do either of them ever. And yet, he invoked warp powers via human sacrifice and blew through all the defenses around Terra, dooming the human webway project and starting the Inner War.

But he always knew best, right? It was Emps' fault for not telling him everything, not his for holding the knife.

Everywhere Magnus goes, he is followed by laughter which he cannot hear. It's his nature now, to be unable to perceive Tzeentch's amusement. That's how much Chaos owns him.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

wiegieman posted:

Magnus knew that human sacrifice was bad, that sorcery was bad, that he wasn't supposed to do either of them ever. And yet, he invoked warp powers via human sacrifice and blew through all the defenses around Terra, dooming the human webway project and starting the Inner War.

But he always knew best, right? It was Emps' fault for not telling him everything, not his for holding the knife.

Everywhere Magnus goes, he is followed by laughter which he cannot hear. It's his nature now, to be unable to perceive Tzeentch's amusement. That's how much Chaos owns him.

Becaue he assumed they were bad because they cost human lives.

Not because they let literal demons in.

CheeseThief
Dec 28, 2012

Two wholesome boys to brighten your day

ousire posted:



And like a lot of 40k lore, just HOW secret they are varies depending on what source or book you read. Some books say that other Space Marines who fight along side the Grey Knights end up getting mind-wiped afterwards to remove their memories of the event, Men In Black style. Some books will say that the Imperium just flatout KILL any survivors of a Chaos incursion where the Grey Knights are involved to kill any witnesses of Chaos or the Grey Knights. I think that level of stuff has been toned down in recent years though with the increased emphasis of Chaos as a big badguy force, just so the imperium isn't wholesale slaughtering as much of their own population as Chaos is just for the crime of seeing a Justicar.


I think this is handled on a case by case basis.

Local PDF squad sees a knight? Put 'em down just to be sure.

IG regiment putting down a chaos incusion gets Grey Knight support? A tragic loss of strategic assessts but they were probably already corrupted anyway, it's a mercy really.

Space Marine squad? Those guys are rare and expensive, better to just mind wipe them and send them on their way.

I remember seeing some incredulous reactions towards the GK in the 40k community a few years ago, some Black Library story had the GK slaughter a bunch of Sisters of Battle and wear their blood as holy protection against demons or something.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Ah yeah, the Bloodtide.

We don't generally speak of the Bloodtide, because it was written during an era where the direction was steadily going into the direction of "More grimdark! More!"

Even if the peak of that wouldn't be reached until 7th edition where we had lore about how about a training school for Tempestus Scion broke their brain washing and rebelled, only to then be defeated and turned into mortar for the school.
Or that the final examination for those elite troopers is hunting down one of their friends/classmates.

But then 7th edition is generally considered one of the worst ones and with 8th end it has generally gone upwards.

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

:scotland:
Matt Ward has a lot to answer for with some of the absolute nonsense that the Grey Knights ended up doing in the background when he wrote the 5th ed codex for them. From their Turbo Mary-Sue Supreme Grandmaster Kaldor Draigo to the Bloodtide and the Sisters of Battle getting murdered by the GK assholery it was the very worst of edgy fanboy writing, in a setting full of edgy fanboy writing.

Calax
Oct 5, 2011

Cooked Auto posted:

Ah yeah, the Bloodtide.

We don't generally speak of the Bloodtide, because it was written during an era where the direction was steadily going into the direction of "More grimdark! More!"

Even if the peak of that wouldn't be reached until 7th edition where we had lore about how about a training school for Tempestus Scion broke their brain washing and rebelled, only to then be defeated and turned into mortar for the school.
Or that the final examination for those elite troopers is hunting down one of their friends/classmates.

But then 7th edition is generally considered one of the worst ones and with 8th end it has generally gone upwards.

Didn't they straight up retcon that that entire incident into Sisters and Grey Knights working together?

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Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

No idea, I think everyone, GW included, just memory holed the whole thing hard.

Edit:
Looking it up I'm getting a big maybe about it being changed in the 7th ed GK codex. But seemingly nothing more solid than that.
And it seems to be either them working together, or the sisters all dying in battle before the Knights arrived.

Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 19, 2024

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